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Took my shotgun out today
I loaded and shot it all by myself. I'm glad I used the ear plugs!! It was a little hard on my bad shoulder but I survived.
I did NOT like it. Nope, not at all. Its something I do not think I could get used to and pray I never have to use it. :no_ma: On the other hand I also shot the 22 rifle and loved that. My accuracy was pretty good. |
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20 gauge mossberg, the fit was perfect but thank goodness I didn't get a 12 gauge because this one was way more then enough. It was very uncomfortable and scary. I don't want to ever have to shoot anything. I did kill the tree stump I shot dead today and that was hard enough.
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The upside of all that recoil is what it can do to the target. One of Newton's laws (I can't remember which) states something about equal and opposite reactions. You might want to get a better recoil pad and practice some more until you're comfortable with the thing. We have a 12 guage at the range, which the peeps there regularly maul their shoulders with.
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You could try replacing the recoil pad on the buttstock with a Pachmyr "Decelerator" pad. Or you might consider trading it for the Remington Express 12 gauge riot with the magazine extention (adds weight) and load it with Federal Tactical (reduced recoil) buckshot. My wife can handle this set-up better, as well. They also make the 870 Express riot in 20 gauge... |
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I am a healthy 27 year old male of thin / skinny build. The first few times out shooting the 20 gauge mossberg with a recoil pad that came with it, I had some pretty heavy bruising. You really have to find a good place for the butt to fit and get used to it. What kind of shells were you shooting? Practice with bird shot - its cheap and less recoil.
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Great quote.....I gotta keep that one Elijah, consider it snatched!!! T |
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I keep telling people that with standard loads the 12 gauge kicks less than the 20. No one ever listens though.
Look into a Pachmayr decelerator pad. Those help a lot. Also what type of rounds were you shooting? Shotgun rounds come in a wide range of energy levels. |
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I picked the 20 gauge mossberg because it was a comfortable fit. I didn't feel comfortable with the Remington and the 12 gauges didn't feel right. I am shooting cheap Byrd shot for now and will try some of the Federal Tactical and see if that helps. I will definitely have to get a "Decelerator" pad. I don't think the kick back was too bad and would have been fine if my shoulder was not already compromised.
As far as the psychological aspects go I will have to work on it. It just felt like a very violent weapon. Life isn't suppose to be violent. LT Dan, this makes me rethink the 38 handgun I was going to buy. I might need a little 22 pistol instead. |
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If you can afford it, have a competent gunsmith COUNTERBORE the chamber and drill some PORTS in the muzzle of your shotgun. These two things will markedly decrease felt recoil... Hogue makes a shorter (12") "tactical" length buttstock for the Remington that fits my 5'8" wife just fine. It has a nice soft butt pad that makes a difference for her when she shoots the 12 gauge Rem 870... http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpag...802&t=11082005 |
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That brings up a good point. The recoil will "feel" lower if the shotgun is fitted properly. Odds are the stock may be a bit long.
Generally the right amount of "length of pull" is if you can hold the but in the crook of your arm and comfortably reach the grip and trigger. If not, the butstock is probably too long. Also, you need to be certain when shooting that the but is snugged into the hollow of your shoulder. The idea is that your whole body should absorb the recoil, not just your shoulder. Unfortunately, if your shoulder is screwed up, any recoil may be painful, in which case you may be better off with a pistol caliber carbine. |
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Limbsaver recoil pads are the best I've found. They screw on as a perfect fit replacement.
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jaima,
I'm nursing a bad right shoulder right now. So I can sympathize with what you went through. Having said that, trust me when I say that if you EVER have to use that shotgun in defense of you and yours, the adrenalin will be pumping so hard you won't even FEEL the recoil until AFTER the whole shooting situation is resolved. THEN it might hurt later. And don't take this the wrong way, but LIFE IS VIOLENT. We have a very thing veneer of 'polite society' over it, but under that thin layer IS VIOLENCE just waiting to erupt. Nature is just that way. Survival of the fittest. And while I hope I NEVER (or anyone else here) has to use a firearm to defend themselves, I've actually pulled a firearm out four times in the past twenty years or so and just showing a firearm resolved the issue. But the fact that I had it, it was ready to use and I would NOT have hesitated in using it probably kept the bad guys from advancing any further. You cannot control stupid people doing stupid things. And SOMETIMES IT TAKES VIOLENCE TO RESOLVE THE PROBLEM. Just remember what Edmond Burke said, "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." So, be prepared for trouble. Note I did not say 'seek trouble'. I said BE PREPARED for trouble. You will NEVER regret that. |
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I'm not too worried about my shoulder, its been trashed for years and I learned to live with it long ago. In retrospect having rotator cuff surgery is something I question and wonder if its always the best choice. Besides I will only be firing the shotgun enough to know I'm comfortable with the mechanics of it. I will buy a pad for it though.
As far as life being violent goes I have to question that. I am a big believer in creating your own reality and attracting what you put out. I think there is something to be said for being prepared and then putting those thoughts away and expecting the best out of life. I'm still working on spiritual side of all this stuff and trying to resolve that. I have spent my whole adult life in Veterinary and human health care to help heal and not to destroy life. Could I pull the trigger? I really don't know. Propably if I felt it was a life or death situation. Ironically my fears lie more with needing defense from the Government then from criminals. |
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Pump/Auto, the recoil difference is something you might consider.
Benelli offers a tactical auto that would reduce felt recoil and save that shoulder from abuse. The cost would be about 2X+ of what you paid for the pump gun. But you have to practice, to be confident. Consider it. www.benelliusa.com (look under 'special purpose') |
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1) Get light loads....go to a decent gun store and ask for reduced recoil loads. These will have less powder or lighter shot load...or both...
2) Hold gun stock in the crook of your shoulder...a lot of people place the butt in the wrong place...iether too far out on arm or too far in on chest. 3) Hold gun very firm against the shoulder by pulling gun into the shoulder...this will better transfer the weight of your body to the gun...so when the gun recoils...it will be pushing more of your body weight. 4) If you bought a small frame revolver with a short barrel (as I suggested) you can get a larger grip...this will make it more difficult to conceal...but if you are not trying to carry on a daily basis...but using it as a "house gun"...a larger grip will better distribute the recoil forces. Do not get any high power loads....too much bang...too much flash....too much recoil....just stick to 38 Special normal loads. Hold arm out very firm and stiff with the elbow joint "over-centered/locked" Hold the grip at least as firm as you would hold your cheating ex-boyfriends throat!!! Turn your body so that the pistol is held and fired from your side so that you must turn your head to see the target...this will cause the recoil of the gun to go into your arm...arm will push body side-ways...much more stable and better to absorb recoil. This is also true of rifle/shotgun...too many small people stand square to target...this is unstable. |
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One more option I don't usually add is: A pistol-grip shotgun. In your case it might make sense, especially with the low-recoil shells. Ooh! One more option: What about your other shoulder? Most shotguns are very ambidexterous in their controls. You'll have to practice it, of course. I'm a lefty who has learned to shoot right, for obvious reasons. |
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Not sure if anyone mentioned this but....
It helps to make sure the But of the shot gun is Firmly against the shoulder be fore firing thus "no impact" Make sense? And this thread brings up question I have... I have heard the 22 ammo does not Store as well as Bigger caliber ammo? Is this True? |
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I bought my wife a remington 1100 20 ga semi auto and it recoils less than my mini 14 and my 45 leveraction for her. another option is one of those mercury recoil pistons...not sure of thier proper name, but they make a noticable difference in felt recoil.
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I don't think the storage itself is the issue. Rimfire can be iffy, because of the sheer volume of it that is manufactured, and because a rimfire primer is less reliable than a centerfire one. That's one reason a .25 acp is considered a better holdout pistol than a .22.
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You make some good points, but centerfire primers have the advange of uniformity. Every primer in a given batch is going to be statistically the same, whether rimfire or centerfire, yes, but since a rimfire requires enough primer be crushed beween the front and back of the rim, at any point around that rim, the chance of a failure increases. A primer cup allows for greater variance.
There is a lot of demand for "target-grade" rimfire. You'd think by now a company would market primed .22 brass, so that anal-retentive--er, precision-minded handloaders could work up their own loads. I have to think that some volatility or fragility of the primer is what has prevented that from happening. Quote:
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Didn't read all of the replies maybe someone already mentioned these little known items.
http://www.mercuryrecoil.com/ |
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I dont knwo much about a 22 except my husbands is over 35 years old and has been sitting in a storgae shed. Its never been cleaned once and it fired every time we shot it.
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i own and shoot a 20 gauge all the time.. be sure that you're holding it tight to your shoulder. otherwise it will beat you up.
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Does anyone know for sure? You're getting some good advise here otherwise |
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